It occurred shortly after she had divorced her first husband. Amnon: I WANNA TAMAR! It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer.. Source: www.dailyherald.com. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. @ Barbara Roberts: Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse Does it lend itself to the overall problem? Does Bill Hybel teach future pastors how to get their IT departments to have special deals? People have been had. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. . Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Which means nothing just happened, it was planned out and purposeful. Its not about perfection but it is about striving to be. The works of an evangelist is to call people to Jesus. I hope its okay to post. I have going to professional society meeting for over 30 years, and hospitality suites are expected/ the norm. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. http://www.dianelangberg.com/2018/04/dear-church/. They get it. Sounds like he at the time did some things that outside of context would be perceived as unwise with co-workers. Brad Brucker wrote: Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Its not great for innovation. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. Or perhaps I am not getting it that this is the official stand of the elders, as well as Hybels. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. (I do think that helped me collect the red flags sooner, though). I have seen it for over 20 years. Tell your sister that I am standing with her in spirit and in prayer. Thank you for sharing your analysis of this! In the fallout of Hybels's departure over sexual misconduct allegations, the esteemed megachurch lost other top leaders: The church's elders, as well as Steve Carter and Heather Larson, who were. This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? We still need to get together on that religious research thingie. It was not the stature of the parities involved that was relevant, but the truth of the matter at hand. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor Willow Creek, resigned in April 2018 after 42 years leading the church. Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? In my opinion this is sufficient proof to logically and reasonably conclude that Bill Hybels is guilty of clergy sexual misconduct and adultery, over an extended period of time. And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. Even our laws in the US lead to punishment o f one chooses to disobey them . She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. The pair is living in Chicago and is blessed with two children; both boys. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? Time will tell whether WC was following Christ or Hybels. Exactly. He is the founder and CEO of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), one of the most powerful and influential organizations globally. It is the Spirits job to convict and change.. Since Hybels resigned, a few of the accusers have stated that they did not want it to come to that. But if true it is still not honorable behavior. But what does that have to do with her testimony? I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. In her statement Monday, Niequist said she remains "in relationship with my dad." "I love him, & I always will. I would assume these claims are multi million. What I count is as follows: Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? Just wonderin, Similarities At what point did Nancy inform her husband? Jesus Christ is the assessory. I cant help but see your point here. The Bible makes specific reference to this in I Cor. Our job is to sow seeds. We still need to get together on that religious research thingie. From what I understand Hybels had a history of handpicking Bible versus to pummel anyone who disagreed with him concerning church doctrine, etc Not surprising. There are no winners here. Might I suggest this might more accurately say that sexual predation is not always based on wanting to have sex? The whole manipulation tactic is a brain gamer based upon the receivers cognitive dissonance. Every dept, every spin off ministry, with line item salaries. i.e. is lynne hybels still married to bill. The old Soviet government arrested and jailed Christians. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. This sounds like the guys in the NHL who put black marks on their helmets when they get hit with puck. On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bill's wife was made aware of the situation. My answer is quite simple. If youre interested in seeing whether I qualify, you can check out my main blog to see what I write about. Other tricks of such manipulators include drawing others into guilt-causing behavior, for instance using swear words casually or tossing around jokes about blow jobs. Nothing brings the True Believer attack dogs out of the woodwork like even the hint of Blasphemy against their REAL god. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. My only (small) hang-up is that the authors, Bill and Lynne Hybels, use examples and stories that are probably pretty dated for 22-28 year-olds getting married nowadays. Oh yeah. I can't apologize for his choices, but I do apologize for mine," she explained. Jan 13, 2018. He could have retired during the Big 40th celebration and the women could have been supported and validated. April 13, 2018. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. You were a vulnerable target (especially with children) And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. When you read it, I think you might as well. Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. You think you know yet you dont. Together, they have two children, a son by the name of Todd Hybels and a daughter Shauna Niequist. I think thats where you get the people that say reports like this hurt the church. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. Now, you should go back and read about victims and try to learn why this open letter hurts real victims. My guess is that given what we know now, she would not have been running with him. The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? It never ceases to amaze me that the Pew sitters continue on without ever demanding to see a detailed budget. It is easy for me to be critical (it may be my spiritual gift) but I do join with Dee in praying for the church. I will keep the website updated. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. I believe her account. Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. How many women would even dare come forward after being called liars, drunks and suicidal? Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. Pam Orr and the previous elder (who was on the board as an HR consultant, today he is a Pastor at a Willow Satellite church) should RESIGN 1st. Shaping a church this way is an abomination, puts Hybels in very dangerous territory. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? (Dee), TELL YOUR DOCTOR if you have unlikely but serious side effects of Ambien including: As a victim-advocate and blogger, I feel isolated because of my time zone. That is a typical church response. Im not trying to do anything but reel in my disappointment in what has been going on at Willow Creek. So much emphasis on good works at home & abroad, what about treating your brothers & sisters in leadership with respect that comes from a relationship w/ Christ. Brad Brucker: Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? I think the safest place for interaction is in public. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? Good night!!! No one walks away unascathed. Dee, Just wondering if theres a way to make it easier to keep up. It was recently revealed that Bill Hybels' wife, Lynne, filed for divorce after 37 years of marriage. You are right, the whole situation smells of cover-up. And you re-evaluate. It took her 40 years(!) Let me give you some good news. ) (John 18:10 NIV). This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. not for this long. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. Yes, we left HBC ourselves. Megachurch pastors have big institutions to feed as well: huge entities that gobble millions a year, maybe hundreds of millions. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. just questioning a seeker sensitive approach can bring down a fair amount of push -back , heat, and attacks on your faith So, now the geru of it has resigned, over minor or mad eup attacks?? I have books by Bill Hybels on my shelves, and really thought he was one of the good ones. Pew sitters paid for these seminars As for the hug thing, & why didnt Nancy Ortberg say somethingwell, for a year or two now, my Christian neighbour, who Ive been friends with him & his wife for about 25 years, has been giving me lingering hugs, which end up with his hands resting on my lower back as often as he can when he drops into my house, hes made a few inappropriate comments about my breasts (they are a standing joke amongst me & my friends as Im a buxom lass), often tries to rub my shoulders as he knows I have shoulder issues& youre the first people Ive told. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. Hence, I like Brad Futurist guys work, though I do find it sometimes too intellectual for me! There is a reason that big names get away with so much. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. Which God/god Bill ? Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Read Paul on Mars hill. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. As Bill Hybels learned, there's far more to romantic love than meets the eye. As much as many hate reformed doctrine, there is much less of this particular error. I am not surprised at all that it will get ugly There are people that are totaly sold out to seeker sensitive approch. And some people here are calling your guru to account for apparently not being obedient at all, for being a fraud, a hypocrite. But here we are! She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. Why are you slamming the Bride of Christ? It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. Bill Hybels married Lynne Hybels back in 1974. God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. This is going to get worse before it can get better. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. At least you know what they are upfront . WITCHES! Nope. I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. Darn it! How can this stand unchallenged? I see this is a crucial issue, and I appreciate that Dee has put it forward for consideration in abuse survivor communities. The Devil is destroying yet another church. These things were the normal and the personal assistants was more than happy to go along. 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