I am now divorced and my ex-wife is remarried. Under a joint and survivor annuity, the benefit might be $1,300 a month while your spouse is alive. The Office of Survivors Assistance has prepared a list of the most Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's) to assist you. Thank you, Shellie (daughter). Thank you in advance. The number for Casualty Affairs Headquarters for your husbands branch of service can be found on Google. A request to withdraw from SBP coverage due to disability requires the written consent of the spouse or other beneficiary. A FSs right to military retired pay terminates upon the FSs death and is not transferable by Will or other means. Brown did not hesitate to name his first wife as his beneficiary when they divorced in 1991. The benefit is not split between the spouse and child(ren), and there are not multiple benefits going to multiple children. I am the kind of person who wants to understand and to have the answers when my husband asks me what these things mean. I have appealed that decision of DFAS denial back in January of 2019 and still waiting to see what happens. Spouse-and-Child (ren) 4. They informed me he was paying into SBP with an invalid beneficiary from 2007 to 2018. SBP coverage can be transferred to the retiree's current spouse provided they notify DFAS of the former spouse's death within one year of its occurrence. I did not know about the offset until his death. You may choose to purchase or not purchase. Everything Ive read says that if a court order pro dies for former spouse SBP the former spouse must file the appropriate deemed election paperwork within 1 year of date of divorce for it to be honored. "I've been waiting and waiting and waiting," said Brown, 90. Thanks! Brown, who hired an attorney to help him pursue the issue, said that he's also happy for other affected retirees. I dont like that if my husband dies first I get nothing out of all of the premiums we paid to SBP which in my opinion is way to expensive for a 50% chance of getting nothing. The cost of coverage depends on which category of beneficiary is selected. Your email address will not be published. I have a disability rating of 80% so not all of the payment is taken out of my pay. I carry automobile insurance, and yet I hope to not make a claim. Who can I contact to try and help Dad. Ive never paid anything into spb, but have been recieving Bills forever. My mother insists that my sister could receive the survivor benefits upon my fathers passing. I understand that my disabled child will continue to be eligible, but will the pay in cost to SBP (just for my disabled child) continue to be calculated at the child rate or does the rate change for a disabled adult child? Me, I wouldnt sleep well at night with a lump sum of money and the responsibility to make it last and to ensure that its value isnt eroded by inflation. For many military families, full SBP coverage is the right choice. Great question. And is there a set amount that we apply for, or is it an automatic amount that is deducted? 2. I recently was awarded DIC and I am now Offset. Background: J (my now adopted son) is in fact my great nephew and still a minor (11yrs old). I am also 100% disabled. Your email address will not be published. I have done extensive research within SBP publications, but have never found this addressed. If anyone has experience with this situation, please share as I am trying to determine the best option. In fact, Im pretty thankful that I havent been involved in a situation that required a claim. The most frequently selected beneficiary is the spouse or former spouse, and the premiums for these two categories are the same. First, youd have to look at the size of your SBP benefit vs. the amount of DIC. SBP would cost me $195 per month, and would never pay out what my term policy will. Someone called once and she answered some additional questions. Another question: my wife is ~8 years older than I. I understand that if I die before I turn 60 that she will being receiving SBP; what happens to my premiums if she passes before I do? The terms of SBP are grossly unfair for the very high cost, do you know if there have been any lawsuits against the military for this program? I have been paying SBP for 217 months. If you are asking about something else, please let me know. The Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) is often the most important decision of your financial life, and it is also probably the most confusing. <>/ExtGState<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/Annots[ 9 0 R] /MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> Im wondering if I can make a legitimate waiver request, and the best way to go about stating my case, to DFAS regarding The Barring Act, 31 U.S.C. If you elected the full SBP, the benefit is 55% of your retirement pay. Term life pays a one-time benefit. The base amount is calculated as a percentage of full retired pay, and therefore adjusts with each retiree Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA). My child will be 22 and no longer eligible for the benefit in a few years. You might want to double check with an experienced tax advisor to ensure that was correct. Military pay, including active duty pay and allowances and retired pay, stops upon a Soldier's death. Hi! The letter of law seems plain to me. Assume no DIC and go from there. A new law will prevent military retirees from losing Survivor Benefit Plan benefits when their ex-spouse dies before they do, by allowing the benefit to be transferred to a current or future spouse. If the dad was carrying Survivor Benefit Plan coverage on his child, you should file for SBP benefits for him. I am concerned about problems he might encounter after my death if taxes are to be collected since he is not a US citizen and does not have a SSN. There is one regular opportunity to cancel your SBP coverage after retirement. If your current investments are enough to make SBP unnecessary, great. Jerry, yes, you should automatically stop paying premiums when your child turns 18, if the child is not in college. She previously worked for newspapers in Guam, Norfolk, Jacksonville, Fla., and Athens, Ga. Minot firings due to failed nuclear safety inspection, MCPON: Sailors need speedier, easier access to counseling, Hangmans nooses targeting sailor found aboard Norfolk-based destroyer, Tricare now covers new costly insulin device for Type 1 diabetics, Baby on-board? spouse remarries prior to age 55, SBP payments will stop. At thetime, he asked to transfer his SBP benefit to his current wife. Lisa, former spouses can be covered under SBP, but there is a process that needs to be followed. My mother has suggested that she is entitled to SBP benefits, would she be? She did not send the within that 1 year timeline. SBP coverage is effective immediately, on the first day of retirement. You have had a total disability rating from the VA for at least 5 continuous years immediately following the last date of active duty. The requirement for SBP to be paid in full is 360 payments AND reaching age 70. We were never told that he had to pay 360 payments. Kate I did finally receive a check for the back payments that were taken out of his monthly retirement pay for the years that were within the statue of limitations. Could you please email me at kate at katehorrell.com? They will receive full benefits if you die before reaching 70 years and 360 payments and will not owe any additional for that coverage. 4. Retired in 1978 and died in 2021. Thank you, Shellie (daughter). Mom received DIC after 3 years. Im a little confused about the question. If the survivor is eligible for DIC, the amount of their SBP will be reduced by the amount of DIC that they receive. In my opinion, keeping SBP makes sense for a lot of people. This nice lady was not bitter and still talks of fondly of her military memories. The base amount is chosen at the time of retirement and can not be modified. As a smart friend says, Life insurance is for when the insured doesnt live as long as youd hope. If married, the spouse is required to agree with the service members SBP choice to elect anything less than full SBP. The SBP cost factors displayed are based on spouse-only coverage. SBP is a program for retired military, not disabled veterans. There is no cash value to SBP. I am nearing my 5 year mark and received a notice from the VA that I was eligible for the SBP-DIC offset. * One of the biggest misconceptions out there may be the belief that little needs to be done and the vast majority of the work . Waiting time on phone is average of 30- 45 minutes. If that sounds confusing, we get it! My husband passed away back in December2017 and learned he did not elect to take out SBP when he retired in 1993. If he dies before the 360 payments i receive nothing? What if spouse dies before retiree so no money is paid out, can retiree get back premiums? Former spouse coverage must be elected to retain coverage. Now if you have already been receiving the DIC payments, youre only going to receive one of the benefits fully unless you elect child only, advisable if your kids are still young but know that it ends after college. Thanks. My husband recently passed, after reporting to dfas etc, they have sent a letter saying that my Husband made an sbp election but payments had not been being deducted from his reitrement pay as elected at time of retirement. DFAS said that, because the benefit would henceforth be considered part of the ex-spouse's property, the benefit "expired" if the ex-spouse died. My husband retired two years ago and I thought I was on top of understanding the systems the military has in place but just transitioning to Tricare retirement in an area that makes it difficult to utilize your benefits has been complex and asking a million questions when there isnt really any one person to turn to can make you want to throw your hands up. Im curious what his beneficiary designations said at what points in time. Hi Kate My husband was not good at money and to be honest I didnt know anything until he died that I would not be receiving his pension. We all know of older folks who sacrifice their own comfort because they are afraid of running out of money. I dont blame them though because even though its their job, I know they have a lot on their plate and tend to where many hats. However, it would be unusual for a beneficiary to be in a higher tax bracket than the covered retiree. Helping Military Families Make The Most of Their Money. Generally, there are not SBP benefits for adult children, unless they are declared incapacitated by the branch of service (Navy) and listed as a secondary dependent on the retirees dependency record. 2. With regard to the new wife, if you have been married less than a year, it might be worth getting caught up with the payments (if they will let you) and adding coverage for her. No, a spouse does not automatically inherit everything in Scotland. I realize that this is an uncomfortable thing to say, but I probably will not have the opportunity to chat with you again. I like to look at lifetime income planning like a bucket. Will they reimburse me for the last 20 years and what should I really ave gotten since now his disability was 100%. Can you please help us? The annuity for the surviving spouse can be reinstated if the remarriage ends. If you are divorced and have overpaid into your spouse benifit plan how long does it take after you send in your divorce certificate to receive the over paid sum? Every person has different factors to consider, but many families do have multiple insurance policies to meet different needs. Thanks for the article and knowledge. Will they ever try to collect past due? I do not see how one would successfully argue that the program has a very high cost when it is subsidized by nearly half. I believe your Mom received some of the premiums they paid into SBP because she is receiving DIC. Im sorry for the loss of your husband. Does the requirement for SBP to be paid in full 360 payments and reaching age 70 apply to all ages?. By Carl O. Graham. Why do they impact each other when they are 2 different pools of money? Once you reach age 70, you still have to complete 360 payments. Is it lost? Can you look at your husbands past retiree account statements and see if the SBP premium deductions are reflected there? The government does not want to show just how much they are scamming their own Service members. I am a guardian for a adult disabled child,his deceased dad was a 30 year lifer in the army, after his death he did have survival insurance,but I filed for dic and pension from VA,denied,did I filed wrong insurance?and if so what can I do? Yes, Sandy, you are covered under SBP immediately. I did see that you anticipate a second career after the military. It takes less than 3 years of SBP benefits to recoup every cent that is paid into SBP even if the service member paid in the entire 30 years before reaching-paid up status, and that assumes that there is no cost of living adjustment in that entire time. If the spouse remarries before the age of 55, they forfeit their SBP monthly payments until and unless that marriage ends. She said, I guess I am trying to figure out what the term spouse cost is defined as and then if the the premiums do not continue if something were to happen to my husband.. The SBP-Social Security offset was eliminated in the 2005 National Defense Authorization Act. If you click on an advertisement or link, I may be compensated. If the retiree was not married at the time of their former spouse's death, but later marries, the new spouse can still be listed as the SBP beneficiary. Insured Interest coverage also has variable premiums that are based upon the age of the retiree and the age of the beneficiary. If you are looking at term life insurance as a source of income for survivors, be sure that your family understands what they would need to do to make that lump sum of money grow enough to beat inflation and last for their lifetime(s.) A simple (but rough) rule of thumb is the 4% rule, which states that you should be reasonably able to withdraw 4% of your principle each year and the growth will ensure that you will never run out of principle. If you choose to replace SBP with life insurance, be sure to have a plan for how those insurance proceeds will be invested in a way that deals with how quickly inflation can erode the purchasing power of a dollar, and also a plan for how your beneficiaries can be assured of not out-living the proceeds from the insurance policy. Child (ren) Only 3. They seem to struggle with international issues. I submitted the request for the pro-rated amount of his last annuity pay. With my retired salary (and a follow-on job for a consultant), I think the Term Life plan is a tad bit better. Im asking around. My question is how can the military do that after he gave 30 years of service as retired as an E9 Master Chief in the Navy and get away with it? 202 CommentsFiled Under: Personal Finance, Retirement. This certainly is a unique situation. What can I do? As long as he reaches 70 you are good to go. This information remains here for those transition years and for reference. Im a former spouse was married with the retiree for 17 yrs.on our divorce decree stated that Im elected for SBP which I enrolled right away been paying it until retiree passed away last Jan.6,2019 I already sent my claim they received(DFAS) on Feb.1,2019 I had been calling them and they said they reuqusted to expedited it but also still under review. Hi Kate. Im sure I have other things to ask but that should be a good start! Let me make sure I am understanding your situation correctly: When you retired, you elected child only coverage for SBP, but youve never made any payments? Others: Service members who do not have a spouse or children may elect SBP coverage for people who have an insurable interest. This is limited to one individual family member or non-family member who falls within certain criteria. We are worried that we will be paying $ 300 and something for nothing. Every dollar of standard . The 10% they withheld is that the amount you instructed them (on your W-4 form) to withhold, or did they select to withhold that amount on their own? Cancellation requires spousal concurrence just as it did at the time of retirement. Many, many retiring military members find themselves paying much higher rates, or completely uninsurable. Now my sbp benefit was forfeited (expires). You are absolutely correct that term life insurance is often much less expensive than SBP, but they are very different products. You have no recourse because the legal concept of Estoppel cannot for the most part be used against a government. I hope you have a copy of the paperwork in which he elected SBP. Great question! Since the physical separation and while working through the agreement and court review before final decree, I was promoted and continued to drill. Possibly this matter should be reviewed and more mention or notification made on the Militarys part in regards to a beneficiarys death prior to the Veterans. The RCSBP has five beneficiary options. SBP gives automatic coverage, at no cost to service members, to anyone . I used to say it was absolutely right for everyone, and then I started working with some families who had enough other resources to make SBP unnecessary. Thanks for clarifying. SBP and Life Insurance do not compare equally, but SBP is a form of life insurance. If he selected SBP and predeceases you, you will receive benefits at the level selected at retirement for your lifetime. DFAS requires notice by fax or by mail. Many people find that a combination of term insurance and SBP fulfill their needs better, and you dont have to opt to cover the full amount of your military retirement pay. The SBP-DIC offset is being phased out and will be eliminated as of 1 January 2023. Does a cash value build up in the annuity so you can cash it out? SBP is not a form of life insurance. Premiums paid vs SBP received? I m not planning on remarrying due to my poor health. When you pass away, your survivor will get 25% of your regular monthly pension - in our example $250 a month. The SBP-Social Security offset was eliminated in 1986one less thing to worry about! So, I guess DFAS denied the former spouses claim and then the Appeal Board overturned it. 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