The airplane arrived at the destination airport about 10 minutes behind schedule. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association Find it free on the store, Powerplants / (2) 850-shp Pratt & Whitney Everyone at Owner Services couldn't have been nicer and the vast majority of the pilots were courteous and very professional, and I had zero complaints with them. Sounds like they are on life support and being read their last rights. With regard to maintenance all you need to do is get an engineer to do you monthly checks and for the big ones send it to Dusseldorf. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. After two major incidents/accidents in eight months are not all fractional owners, their employees and their families scared to hell for their own safety??? I asked Grant to put the gear up on positive rate of climb, and soon thereafter I called for the flaps to be retracted. WebThats why the Piaggio Aero P180 Avanti II is a green aircraft. Avantairs demise, parts scarcity, and maintenance headaches combine to make P180 ownership a challenge. We are not infallible, and mistakes have definitely been made, but we do not deserve the acrid bile from those on this board who have obvious agendas and would celebrate our downfall. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. Once on the runway and cleared for takeoff, we checked to make sure the flaps were set for takeoff and the steering was too there are different modes depending on how fast youre traveling though theres no tiller and that our trims and condition lever were correctly set. If the fleet was grounded last saturday then why were pilots sent out assignments to fly? The seat is raised or lowered with a lever outboard to provide a view that should just about look down onto the top of the glareshield. Stylish use of mirrors, six good-size windows on either side, and use of light colors ensure the cabin has a roomy feel. Height / 13 ft 1 in Viva VNR! Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. Findings as to risk: The airplane is nicely stable on final. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. The power levers were manually adjusted as we climbed to maintain 100 percent torque, shown on the engine indicating system on the top of the central multifunction display (MFD) in green. Web Conserve water to avoid overloading the septic system. Well, pretty much all sold out. I still can't believe they are not making this issue public. #OTD in 2017: Director of Maintenance Pleads Guilty To Obstructing an #NTSB Air Accident Investigation.https://t.co/P84ir4v0L5 #flightsafety #aviationsafety #aviationmaintenance pic.twitter.com/fA2oHltndZ, This information is added by users of ASN. Closing the power levers to idle sounds the gear warning horn, which is canceled using a button on the RH power lever. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. On approach, however, the view is excellent. Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. The company simply does not have the capacity to handle the demand and corners have been seriously cut to try to cover that demand with inadequate resources. Yes, the Captain was terminated and we lost a good pilot. Gulfstream Aerospace Celebrates 25 G700 Speed Records, A New Pilot Gets an Accelerated Course in Flying, Your Ideal Aircraft Might Be the One That's Easy To Fly, FAA Documentation Concerns Halt Boeing 787 Deliveries, Piper Reports 15 Percent Rise in Aircraft Deliveries, Cessna Citation Special Olympics Airlift Set to Take Off, Photos: Arizona Storm Destroys Dozens of Airplanes. Avanti II appeared for the 2006 model year with higher thermodynamically rated engines. We are enhancing our maintenance and operational infrastructure so that it surpasses every standard that applies to the aircraft we fly. Piaggios P180 Avanti created quite a splash with its 1990 certification in the United States. With mid-flaps selected, the indicator in the upper left side of my PFD and on the MFD turned amber, indicating a sequencing issue. I started looking at commercial flights, figuring SWA flies there and it would be inexpensive anyway. I can't speak for the maintenance personnel involved in this, but I know that the pilot and co-pilot were both fired for failure to perform a pre-flight check. To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. http://www.avantair.com/filings.html. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. Hah, you think the owners don't care about safety? But it was not his fault that it. The release I posted above came directly from Avantair media relations. This is a place worth fighting for and we will hope for the best. As the factory-authorized training provider for these aircraft, we have created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and technicians are equipped with the latest in safety training. We leveled off at FL350 19 minutes after takeoff, I left the torque at 75 percent, and allowed the Avanti to accelerate to Mach 0.64 with an indicated airspeed of 216 knots and a TAS of 373 knots. The start-up sequence is pure PT6; its a completely pilot-controlled process. P180 Avanti Pitot and Static System. The Avanti II does indeed have a big cabin, the best in its class by far, and it also has good speed and range, and best-in-class fuel efficiency. Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. I kept on the controls through a number of heading changes much up into the midteens before switching on the autopilot. Villi led a thorough guided tour of the outside of the airplane and explained all of its many unique features. We were cleared through 8,000 feet very quickly and then up to FL350, set up using the flight guidance panel (FGP) on the glareshield and appearing in cyan in the top right hand side of the PFD. In other words two failures and occured. Pilatus PC-12 or Piaggio P.180 Checklist? http://aerossurance.com/safety-management/guilty-plea-obstructing-ntsb/, Passenger - Non-Scheduled/charter/Air Taxi, Updated [Time, Damage, Category, Investigating agency], Updated [Time, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative], Updated [Time, Other fatalities, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative], Updated [Other fatalities, Source, Embed code, Narrative]. It has delivered nearly 200. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. The cabin provides a comfortable and quiet ride for passengers. That said both the plane and the company have been reliable for me for about 7 years. The effect is a view that changes substantially as you point the nose up or down in various phases of flight. Yes. If anyone has any insight please share it. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. In simpler terms, that means the engines maintain their 850 shaft horsepower to a higher altitude thereby increasing true airspeed of the airplane through the thinner air. The airplane has been constantly improved over the past decade, with new interiors, higher max takeoff weight, higher Vmo and avionics upgrades galore. Because of the rake angle of the windshield, the glareshield is very deep and provides a perspective unique to the Avanti. Yes, it does have three lifting surfaces, a T-tail and two pusher propellers but its how they are put together that is the important thing. During the stand-down, Avantair will furlough some employees. We took up a westerly heading for our return to Villanova. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. Acceleration feels fast, but steering through the rudders is positive and smooth, though it requires an easy touch to avoid darting about. It just so happens to be one of the most unusual looking ones too. He then lowered the seat and sat down. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. I think that it should be obvious to everyone here that comments by Mandarin Jet and a few others should be taken with a grain of salt. At FL380, you can expect 380 KTAS on 600 pounds per hour in an Avanti II. Access to the cabin is straightforward, the upper two-thirds of the door on the port side, just behind the flight deck, opens toward the nose of the aircraft, and a gust lock keeps it flush to the side of the fuselage. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". Fortunately that was in 2007 and we sold it right before the crash. We are grateful for their understanding and patience as we work through this important process. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. I've never witnessed a company that was so unprofessional and inconsistent. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. The main wing of the airplane is very small (172.2 square feet, slightly less than a Cessna 210s) and very highly loaded. @piaggiodriver, it's ok to be proud of working at a company but avantair treats its employees horribly. Frequent heading changes are required to stay in the area and this allowed me to quickly get a feel for the Avanti. Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. On the ground, however, the Avantis overflight noise footprint is on the high scale, which is typical of pusher designs. A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. The one posted under SEC filings on www.avantair.com shows a sentence between the last and next to last sentences that is missing from your release. Everyone at the company expects to be unemployed very soon. Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. The fuel penalty for flying in the 20s is not as extreme as it is in turbofan airplanes. Had Chuck Yeager and Sully Sullenburger, himself, flown the aircraft, the result would have been the same. Grant handled the radio tuning. Piaggio succeeded in its design goals to create a large cabin as well as a very fast design that puts it squarely in the light jet arena. The Avanti is has been around since 1990, providing the luxury of a jet with the versatility of a turbo prop. Mr. Sabatini previously was the top career official at the FAA. At 73 inches across, the width allows for great shoulder room, easy entry though the airstair door and a very comfy hard-door lavatory. Despite the fact that it took me a while to get a feel for the trim button theres a little activate button in the center of the trim hat the hand-flying was nothing short of delightful. The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. Piaggio received the first major order for the Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO from a Hong Kong-based investment company and Bravia Capital advisor in July 2014, for up to 50 Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO aircraft. Villi took control from me to give me a rest. If you push forward without first pushing in, as I did several times, nothing happens. This, along with the airplanes great cabin and operating economies, has made the Avanti II the airplane that has helped create the remarkable success of charter and fractional operator Avantair, which operates 57 Avantis. For an airplane that looks so unusual from the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II is in most ways very conventional. Now, on to the rumors about the FAA pulling Avantairs certificate. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. This airframe, T7-ASG, SN3007 was the first Avanti to be produced at the new manufacturing facility in Villanova DAlbenga, one year after production was moved from Genoa. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. My last four years have been spent flying equipment with fly-by-wire controls and the Avantis flying controls are conventionally connected via cables, pulleys, push pull rods, and bell cranks. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy, HAI Announces 2023 Salute to Excellence Award Winners, Software House Flight Vector Sees Opportunity in the Middle East, UAC To Exit Superjet 100, Investors Eye UAE Production Plant, PC-12 Crash Is Third Guardian Flight Fatal Accident, KinectAir Plans To Add Electra eSTOLs to Charter Network, WAI Concludes Record Conference in Long Beach, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. Shortly before departure, Villi advised me that the autopilot function of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. Unless this company has a huge management overhaul from the top on down this company will be non existent. Using the intuitive FMS CDU, I programmed a route toward BERAB, the initial approach fix for the VOR approach to Runway 27 at Villanova. I for one an very hopeful this whole episode will be behind us soon and that the company becomes gets stronger. Max takeoff weight / 12,100 lbs It was spot on. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. Comments since yesterday, Oct. 25, seem oblivious to the safety of flight issues. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy. WebThe pilot said he was flying the RNAV GPS runway 36 approach in 3 miles visibility and that the wind was from 070 at 9 knots. Some operators use a Garmin 430 mounted on the far left side of the panel. 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He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. You need to check your facts pal, they offered voluntary leaves to avoid furlough up until recently a handful of people have been fired for the slightest error in judgement. Villi selected the Rockwell Collins RTA-800 weather radar on his nav display via the display control panel down the side of the PFD, to monitor a cell just inland. Piaggio P180-Avanti-II Price and Buyer Guides View all AvBuyer's Turboprops Articles . In fact, Avantair late last year took possession of the 100th Avanti delivered in the United States, which has been far and away the models best market. It wasnt the only fast turboprop twin with a forward wing the Beech Starship was a contemporary, though that company stopped production of the composite cabin-class twin shortly after it started it, admitting later that the composite model was so time-intensive to build that it was simply unprofitable. By this I mean the Evo turns through the same number of degrees as your feet move on the pedals until you put in a sustained input when the full nosewheel deflection of 50 degrees is felt and the turning circle feels extremely nimble and asymmetric braking is not needed. View our Piaggio P.180 Avanti II photo gallery. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots. WebThis rare Piaggio P-180 Avanti is an Italien executive transport aircraft with twin turboprop engines mounted in pusher configuration. The idea behind the Avanti has always been remarkably simple and completely outside the turboprop box. The Avanti feels very stable and is easy to maintain altitude in while hand-flying compared with other airplanes in and around its class. From the beginning, Piaggio Aero intended the Avanti to be a turboprop that played in the same niche as light jets but with better economy and a larger cabin. While the forward wing is not fitted with an elevator, it does have a flap, or set of flaps, depending on how you look at it. Earlier, she also confirmed that Avantairs grounding was indeed voluntary and not mandated by the FAA. As we tracked toward this point, Lorenzo handed me back control for the last approach. I know from my perspective, it was going to be close as to whether I was going to use my minimum hours this year (even after being able to roll some to next year). He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. Safety is Avantairs top priority. I am a fractional owner and the first I heard about this grounding was at 11pm last night when they sent me an email saying my flight for this morning was cancelled. Piaggios home airfield is surrounded by terrain, and the approach is offset from the inbound course. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. A traffic target can be out of view in certain positions, at around 2 oclock for the left-seater or 11 oclock for the right-seater. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. WebTo order vehicle records online, you will need to: Have a permissible use for the information if purchasing records other than your own; Select Online Services; Under Additional The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 Cash is cash, and paying another charter company would sink cash. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. Did the Captain make a huge mistake doing a fast post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner? The twin turboprop Avanti EVO is the third-generation version of the Piaggios Avanti P.180, a model introduced in the 1990s that led to the creation of Piaggio Aero Industries. Taxi steering was selected on the column switch, and the airplane moved easily at our ramp weight of 10,800 pounds. That is a sign of a company that cares about its pilots. You know get them off the insurance roll. If Avantair doesn't do this, FAA will shut them down. AOPA Members DO more LEARN more SAVE more - Get MORE out of being a pilot -. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. Copyright 2023 Flying Media. 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